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« on: December 31, 2007, 10:49:34 AM »

Well, this was quite the project! 
The plan was simple... buy a 1999 YZF400 and slap on some used supermoto wheels from eBay.  Believe it or not, the eBay transaction was the easy part.  Found some used wheels (with a nice-big-fat 5-inch rear rim) strung to 2006 hubs... which fit a 1999.
But, they wouldn't fit my bike for some reason.  Finally, after hours of re-measuring, and re-checking, decided to double check the actual year of my "1999" bike.
Turns out - that for EVERY vehicle that has a VIN (bikes, quads, cars, trucks, etc... EVERYTHING)... the 10th character is the year of the vehicle. (click here for VIN decoding)
Low and behold, my "1999" bike was actually a 1998!
(but, it looked great, and was in great shape)...
(click here for pic) (try not to laugh too hard at the poverty-brand bike stand!)

So, my options were to get the 1998 "machined" to force the wheels to fit (the rear axle diameter on an '06 is bigger than a '98, and would have to get the swing arm drilled out... or, sell the supermoto wheels in exchange for 1998... or, get a '99 or newer bike.
Believe it or not - my best option was to buy a bike to fit my wheels!
I'm glad I did.  I went out and got a great deal on a 2001 YZF 426, and it runs great.  (click here for pic)  The rear wheel fits perfect, and all I need is some different spacers for the front wheel.  (I've been told that if I get spacers from an '06 bike that they will work (since the hubs are from an '06).  If that doesn't work, I found this place that will make any custom aluminum spacer you need: (click here)
As for other misc parts for the bike, MotoSport seems to have a great selection, and great prices (click here)
Lastly - if there's ever a part you need that you can't find anywhere - or want to find a part number for it, you can probably get it from BikeBandit (click here) - although, there prices seemed a bit high - but they appear to have every part from every bike, down to the smallest bolt!.  If anything, a very nice feature on BikeBandit is that after you find your part, you can click the "Share This Schematic" link, so that if you need to discuss an odd part with someone, you can reference the schematic (I've done this with Paul a couple times, and it works well with avoiding any possible confusion).
I purchased the over-sized rotor and caliper bracket from: MotoStrano - got it on sale, and with a discount since I also ordered the axle sliders and catch can from them.

Looking forward to 2008!!!
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2007, 12:38:53 PM »

Nice looking bike! 
You're the only person I know who trades their bike to fit the accessories!
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2008, 11:02:16 AM »

The '06 spacers FINALLY came in!  (took 3 weeks for delivery, but only cost $17.00).  The good news is, the hubs now fit!
So, it was nice to not have to go to a machine shop, and simply get '06 spacers to get the '06 hubs to fit on an '01 Yamaha 426F.
(click here for pic)

The only issue now, is that the tire has only a 3/16 inch gap from the fork on the right side, but an 11/16 inch gap on the left.  Hopefully, I can get Euro MC of Pgh to relace the spokes and move the rim over 1/4 inch to get it centered.
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2008, 01:07:51 PM »

front or rear?
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2008, 02:16:20 PM »

The rear wheel fits perfect as-is (thank goodness).
But the front wheel is the one that needed the spacers, and will also need to be moved over exactly 1/4 inch.
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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2008, 03:44:29 PM »

the brake rotor lines up correctly with caliper?  no binding?
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2008, 04:14:19 PM »

Yes, the rotor lines up perfectly, and the wheel spins perfectly.
Although - I must admit something odd I noticed... the over-sized caliper bracket is about 1/4 wider than the original bracket.
I suppose I should try the supermoto wheel with the original caliper bracket - which might pull the wheel over to where it needs to be.  Thanks for making me think of that.
If that works - I suppose I could just grind down the over-sized caliper bracket (at a machine shop), and be in business.  Ed (from PepBoys in Cranberry) said his brother's shop in Gibsonia: "Watt Tool & Dye" - 412-487-3778 might help us out on bike projects - as long as we tell them: "Ed sent us".
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2008, 08:39:42 PM »

OK, as Paul had thought (I know what he was thinking, even tho he said nothing)... I used a different spacer on the right side, and now everything fits perfect - no need for any machine work, and no need for re-stringing spokes.  I also tested the dirt rim, and that also fits perfect.
Luckily, 1 spacer from the original hub was 1/4 inch bigger than the '06 hub for the right side.  This was the 1/4 inch gap I needed, and the forks aren't tweaked either - so every thing's perfect.  I finally have my own supermoto bike and dirt bike.  Now, I just need to change the fork seals  :'(  (Joe was kind enough to offer a hand - and since I never learned to read - and the pictures in the service manual aren't in color, his help will come in handy).  I decided to go with 5w fork oil (even tho true dirt racers may prefer 2.5w and true supermoto may prefer 7w or 10w... so 5w should suit me best since I plan on doing both.
First Dirtbike race will be May 4th at Steel City Raceway(click here for video)  (Of course - those guys are AMA - so don't expect to see anything like that on May 4th!  (If anything, I'll look like I'm riding a mountain bike!)
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2008, 09:33:47 AM »

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(Joe was kind enough to offer a hand - and since I never learned to read - and the pictures in the service manual aren't in color, his help will come in handy). 
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I don't know crap about dirt bikes, but it's never too late to learn how to read!
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2008, 09:06:08 PM »

so i assume you now have it all worked out?  How about a picture
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2008, 09:24:35 PM »

unfortunately - I have every hex wrench except 14mm (needed for compression).  But, the forks are off - and I think I'm going to wuss out of the project, and pay EuroMC to do it (besides, I haven't stopped by the shop in quite some time... and I need to pick up some dirt-riding boots.  I just e-Filed my taxes... and what better way to spend that hard-earned money!
Can't wait 'till the first Supermoto practice!  (practice usually starts in early April - but the weather can be non cooperative).
Can't believe ESMRA doesn't have the 2008 schedule yet!
Speaking of pictures - the only pic I've seen of your bike was from eBay... we need one on TDR.
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2008, 08:26:13 PM »

my KTM didnt come from ebay....i tried to sell my honda there
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2008, 11:31:44 AM »

I decided to celebrate presidents day by changing the fork seals on the dirt bike.  It was actually a lot easier than I had imagined - although it does take a while.  Don't be intimidated by all the crazy parts you see in pictures of open forks.  Just make sure you take apart 1 fork at a time, and that you keep the parts in order.  Also - you don't need a hex wrench... that's to remove the compression adjuster - which you do not need to do when replacing fork seals.
Here's the break-down of the procedure...
(note: if any of these items aren't familiar to you - you'll figure it out while working on the forks... it's not as bad as it sounds)
1) get a flat head screw driver and soften the rebound and compression (back the screws out).  Warning - once you meet resistence - stop backing out the screw, do not force the screw out more than it will easily go, or you will cause damage.
2) loosen (do not remove) the fork cap.
3) remove the forks
4) remove the fork cap
5) pull down the fork spring, insert a 17mm wrench, and remove the fork cap from the fork piston rod
6) remove the spring, and measure to ensure it does not need to be replaced (the spec is in your service manual)
7) dump out the fork oil by fliping fork over.
Cool pump fork piston rod up and down
9) repeat steps 7 and 8 several times until no more fork oil comes out, and fork piston rod moves freely up and down
10) get a knife, and carefuly pry out fork cap
11) get a flat head screw driver and carefuly remove the circlip
12) this part may seem weird - but this is what they recommend in the service manual... grab the top of the fork with one hand, and the bottom with the other, then yank apart.  This will take several hard yanks - because you are "hammering" out the oil seal.  Be careful not to drop the fork tubes when you finally get them apart.
13) once apart, remove the top bracket by separating it, and sliding it off the top.  (don't separate it any more than you need to)
14) set the top piece on a table, and remove the remaining pieces by sliding them up the fork tube.  Make sure you keep the piececs in the same order you removed them
15) put grease on the fork seals
16) put plastic over the end of the fork tube (I used a sandwich bag) and lube the remaining pieces with fork oil.
17) slide the pieces over the plastic, onto the fork.
18) after the oil seal is on, remove the plastic, and put the remaining pieces back on.
19) cut the old oil seal in half, and use it to hammer in the new oil seal.  This part takes a long time, since you don't want to hammer too hard - and you still have loose pieces.  Some people like to hang the fork from the ceiling so they can hammer down - but I simply put the fork on the floor, and up against the garage wall, and hammered to the side.
Then put the circlip back on, and the oil seal.
20) pour the specified amount of oil into the fork tube (or as much fits)
21) pump the fork piston rod several times
22) pour the remaining fork oil into the tube. (for my bike - about 570ml per fork - note that for both forks, this requires TWO(2) bottles of fork oil).
23) let the fork settle for 10 minutes to ensure as much air is out of the system as possible.
24) measure the distance from the top of the tube, to the top of the oil, and ensure this is to spec, if not, add/remove as needed.

That's it in a nut shell.
It's not as complicated as it sounds - but it will take a long time.  There's really only 1 way it all comes apart and goes back together, so once you start the project - it all makes sense.
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2008, 08:46:39 PM »

awesome!  congrats on the DIY.  i felt a little nervous the first time i ripped into a set of forks too...time and patience goes a long way on these type of jobs.

let us know what's going to be next!
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